December 08, 2009

Ode to a lousy laptop, Windows 7 edition

Sing along as I count down the 12 things I hate about my new Windows 7 PC

It's that time of year again: time to don the silly hat and play high-tech Santa to my wife and children. For the latter, I finally gave in and bought them a Wii, their first gaming console. To my wife I'm giving the early (as in now so that she can pillage eBay) "gift" of a new Windows 7 laptop.

I put "gift" in quotes because so far it has been anything but. Glitchy and error-prone, this unit has been a thorn in my side since the first boot cycle. In fact, I can't recall a more disappointing initial product experience (though installing OS/2 version 2.0 for the first time comes close). This slick-looking, ultra-low-power-usage unit is a real clunker, full of half-baked features and questionable design decisions.

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It's enough to inspire me to express my lamentation in song -- which is why I've arranged my top dozen grievances in true holiday fashion. Here, in all their glory, are my 12 miserable days of pre-Christmas PC support hell, aka "Ode to a Lousy Laptop."

12 random reboots: It's a cross we all must bear. Whether because of a buggy driver or some superimportant Microsoft automatic update, Windows simply decides it needs to reboot. This is especially true on a crapware-laden PC like this one. The lesson here? Save early, save often.

11 flimsy hinges: Coming from an IBM background, I got spoiled by those wonderful titanium hinges. Nothing is as smooth and reassuring as an original ThinkPad, certainly not this creaky, clumsy-feeling model. Yuck!

10 drive trays catching: Can someone please design a CD/DVD drive tray that doesn't catch on every possible surface? From tablecloths to carpets to random sheets of paper, this thing just won't keep to itself. It makes me long for the slot-loading bliss that is Mac ownership.

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david.lougheed@gmail.com 8-Dec-09 5:29am
I have 12 words for you: 12 Mac 11 Mac 10 Mac 9 Mac 8 Mac 7 Mac 6 Mac 5 Mac 4 Mac 3 Mac 2 Mac 1 Mac
mtsinc 8-Dec-09 8:08am
It may make for a cute headline, but "most" of these complaints aren't something I can fault Windows 7 for. Except, of course, for the BSOD. Did you get an EveryDay Low Price[TM] on this bit of flimsy trash? That, after all, it all that's really important in this day and age. As for the multiple reboots, well, if it's really that annoying, there's a certain penguin who'd be glad to talk to you. The latest Linux kernels can even update kernel code itself without rebooting. In my book that's akin to changing all 4 tires on a car. While driving the Autobahn.
Don Barker 8-Dec-09 8:31am
And here we thought you had years of experience in the IT field. To me it seems like you didn't research the product before you bought and now you have buyers remorse. I would have to say that that I would agree with mtsinc, most of these complaints aren't something that can be faulted on the OS but that crap hardware you bought.
DaveLindhout 8-Dec-09 9:18am
I agree with Don that you are capable of a much better buying decision. I agree with Don and mtsinc that many of your issues are hardware and vendor related. That is part of the problem of the open hardware platform of Windows. Anybody can put out a piece of crap and Microsoft is going to take some of the blame. Having said that, any computer purchased today should be able to playback video smoothly and reliably. Norton and MacAfee trialware should never be installed together. Chiclet keyboards don't belong on a 15" laptop. Etc. You should be stopping this practice by warning your readers what not to buy. Instead, you're perpetuating their existence.
Randall C. Kennedy 8-Dec-09 10:14am
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@Dave, In the interest of fuller disclosure, let me add that the unit in question is from one of the Top 3 notebook manufacturers; is a "state-of-the-art" CULV unit with LED screen and 4GB of RAM; is running the 64-bit version of Windows 7; and was a steal at just over $600 at my local Costco. I'd also like to point out that I could surely correct many of these issues by doing a clean install of Windows 7 with the most recent drivers, no crapware (including Norton and MacAfee), and my usual bag full of tuning/tweaking tricks. However, the point of this exercise was to illustrate how frustrating the holiday Windows 7 PC buying experience might be for someone incapable of - or simply not inclined to waste the time - correcting the situation. I pity the poor soul who plunks down his or her hard earned green for one of these ill-conceived clunkers. This is NOT the initial buying experience that Microsoft wants to see associated with its new OS. If Vista taught the company anything, it's that first impressions are often lasting ones. Fortunately, the big box boys have a 90 day return policy on computer hardware, one I will likely avail myself of shortly. RCK
DaveLindhout 8-Dec-09 11:01am
I completely agree with your observation of a potentially frustrating holiday season for Windows 7. Your point is driven home further when you mention you got the computer at Costco. I'm not a Costco person, but numerous friends have convinced me that they have smart buyers. For them to choose a machine of this caliber is disconcerting.

I'm sure you will clean up what you can to make the system perform better, but you're stuck with the keyboard and video. You are probably stuck with the loud fans, and I bet you never receive an update to the touchpad driver. So much for Microsoft's rich user experience.

We have yet to hear from the novice user. Most experiences being reported come from the most technical users. They can work through missing drivers and installation glitches. They are more accepting of older hardware not being supported. And they can de-crapify the computer.

I'm puzzled that you don't "out" the maker of the ill-conceived clunker. You would be doing Costco a favor.

lawryll 8-Dec-09 12:17pm
Randall, When you went to Costco and tested the laptop out in the store (since OF COURSE you tested it out before plunking down $600), why didn't you immediately rule the laptop out? I mean, you are complaining about the keyboard, video, crapware, CD-rom drive...all of which was easily seen when you bought the laptop...so why did you buy the laptop? Or are you just one of those guys who drops $600 on products site/review unseen?
benw 8-Dec-09 10:50am
The first sign it is a piece of crap is it is available at Costco. You get what you pay for!
Randall C. Kennedy 8-Dec-09 10:56am
@benw: Of course, the same machine is also available at Best Buy, Walmart, and any number of online retailers - in other words, the places that typical consumers shop for PCs. So your "you get what you pay for" quip is nothing more than the rantings of a typical uber-geek who's out of touch with how normal people interact with PC technology. No wonder Macs are so popular these days...RCK
eric0531 8-Dec-09 10:58am
The first sign it is a piece of crap is it is available at Costco. You get what you pay for! Not true, Costco generally carries excellent quality products (in all areas, not just electronics) and has an outstanding return policy. It's one of the reasons we always try to buy electronics there.
dwhitlow 8-Dec-09 12:03pm
I bought one of the supposed top-of-the-line laptop PCs from a major computer manufacturer (spending almost $1900) and had to return it because of the random reboots among other problems. It's unacceptable to have a computer reboot on you in the midst of working. And, this was day 1 of using the product. I returned it and am making the move to a Mac.
NeilA 8-Dec-09 12:24pm
Your beloved Thinkpads, in the days of IBM ownership, were only available as business class notebooks. Now, you are comparing a new consumer class of notebook which has cheaper components, fans, and a lot of plastic on the case materials. If you want something like the old IBM experience, buy a business class or pro class laptop from HP or Dell, etc. These have better battery life quite often, are lighter and stronger due to better case materials such as titanium and magnesium, better wireless reception a lot of the time AND they automatically come with a 3 year warranty and no junkware. Finally, you often get U.S. based tech support instead of offshoring distant tech support. You get all of these benefits often for only about $300 more. They are just far more solid, often lighter, often thinner and more elegant machines with better quality overall. However, most people want to hit the retail stores and only examine the up front cost. I have two HP business class laptops that are still running fine after over 7 years and they even still have the original fan. I have only had to add memory and replace the disc drive. Consumer laptops usually flex more all over and have noisier fans. You get what you pay for. Apple only makes one class, which I think is somewhere between business class and consumer. Thus they are more expensive than the Windows consumer PCs in the store but might sometimes be of better build quality. Many consumers never experience the business or pro class Windows machines from the Windows manufacturers. It is a shame. Maybe some would pay a few hundred more if they knew that there are two distinct classes of Windows PCs from most companies that make them. (HP, Dell, Toshiba, etc.) Many also have gaming class lines.
KevinH 8-Dec-09 12:32pm
To the commenter who wanted to know why RCK doesn't "out" who the hardware mfr is in this case...that part was easy. a) hinges (broken, for me) b) touchpads (broken, for me) I'm guessing HP on just those few clues.
NeilA 8-Dec-09 12:36pm
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Actually, I take back my comment about the build quality of the Apple computers versus the Windows consumer class computers at retail. Often the more expensive Windows computer in the store is better and gives more performance for the money than the Apple counterpart. I just detest the really low end Windows laptops that have a dissastifying user experience right out of the box.
Elfish 8-Dec-09 12:51pm
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Often the more expensive Windows computer in the store is better and gives more performance for the money than the Apple counterpart. Use the Windows machine for six months and then compare them.
lawryll 8-Dec-09 1:15pm
I bought a MacPro awhile ago. The new touchpad on the MacPro's is the first time I've ever been happy using a laptop with no mouse. The build quality, being aluminum is excellent. The screen is amazing. The DVD drive is a slotted one. I have 4 GB of memory...well enough for jsut about anything. I can dual-boot Windows 7 or OSX or run them both at the same time. I have 7+ hours of battery life and the laptop is pretty much completely silent - even when running intense video. The airport extreme networking is brilliant and outclasses other n-type connections. All in all, yeah...it cost me about $400 more than RCK paid for his POS Costco laptop (which for some reason he never tested before buying...curious). For that extra $400, I can easily see a machine I will be using for 5+ years without needing to upgrade or worry.
nwjh 8-Dec-09 2:45pm
I've used Macs for years, and they run for years. My son is using my 9-year-old iMac, which is still running well, albeit with older OS and software. The 17" G4 laptop serves the wife well, despite being 5 or 6 years old. And my Intel MacBook Pro is only about a year old and is doing everything well.
Hinges work, keypads work, keyboards work, screens work, drives work. I have replaced the hard drive on the old iMac, and its charger has had problems with the wiring around plugs (the second one has just failed, so it's getting the iGo Juice!), but the newer ones have had no problems (including the magnetic chargers), other than an early one with the G4, which was fixed under warranty, perfectly and in record time. And OS and software upgrades seem to be fairly painless.
We're looking at a new Mac, and may get one soon. Still not sure of the configuration, but we'll see what our needs are. No-one seems keen to rush the PC; the Macs get all the attention (including a G5). We've had no problems with any Mac we've bought, out of the box, and later issues have mostly been wear and tear. We're all happy customers.
ThatOne 8-Dec-09 2:50pm
The answer to everything is not "Mac" - yes, they are good, but they are not perfect and the selection of software is not as good as Windows systems. I would expect any system (Mac or not) to be better at twice the price. By the way, I have two close friends with Acer netbooks that cost even less than $600 (about 2/3 of that) and they are very happy with them. One of them has even installed Windows 7 on his.
mnexpat 9-Dec-09 12:16pm
Yes macs are good. I also have memories of removing irrational software from my macbook pro. When I or a family member buy any home use laptop I always spend a couple of hours removing crapware and tuning the system for performance. How can a person in our profession not help his wife and/or family members by using his knowledge to give them a reasonable experience with their choice of computer? I spend many hours a year to help my wife have a reliable and smooth running pc and would do the needed maintenance on a mac if that was her choice. If my wife is happy because of a little time on my part, it makes my life happier. As for the way that home units come I have stabilized laptops from HP, Toshiba, Lenovo and dell by merely setting performance to best performance setting and general garbage software removal. HP especially needs driver updates out of the box but it does not take long and it keeps loved ones and customers much happier.
Loerps 29-Dec-09 9:11am
I agree with the posters who stated that dollar-for-dollar PCs and Macs are comparable. Because PCs are also available in lower price ranges, they tend to offer more flexibility to the consumer and are available to more than just the elite.

Related to longevity, my last three laptops have all been HPs, the oldest being 5 1/2 years old and still running like new (XP home upgraed to XP Pro). I bought the second one almost three years ago (Vista) and it is now loaned out to a friend. The most recent is the best I've ever owned and runs Windows 7. Each new purchase was to acquire newer technology. All three have been in to the shop, the oldest one twice, the other two once each, all for hardware issues, and in each case I got spotless service from HP.

My Windows 7 (64-bit) PC was purchased at Best Buy for the same price as RCK paid for his at Costco. It did have a faulty touchpad, which is why it went in so soon for repair, but based on RCKs description, I got a better deal than he did. This unit has a 17-inch screen yet is light for it's size. It has the usual stuff (CD/DVD writer, infrared, built-in wireless, Web cam, etc.) plus 4GB of RAM and a 320GB HD. The reviews of Win7 had been so wildly different that I didn't know what to expect, but I have a pretty good idea of who to believe and who not to now.

There are some wonderful things in Win7 that didn't exist in Vista. By the way, in all the time I've used these three laptops I have never had a BSOD, nor have I ever had an unexpected reboot. Related to viruses, the WinXP box had a couple over the years, never the Vista box and not so far with the Win7 box. I stopped using both Norton and McAfee a few years ago and use AVG exclusively now.

Traditionally, Macs were seen as better for graphics design and probably still are. But I do find it interesting that animation shops use PCs and not Macs. I know this because my daughter is in that field and all the labs she works with use PCs for animation projects. This indicates to me that, at least today, whether a Mac or a PC is better for a given purpose is more dependent on the available software than it is on the hardware.

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