November 24, 2009

Sony support: From free to fee in 15 minutes

Sony responds to one reader's complaint that the company purposely prolonged the duration of a support call in order to extract money from him

To determine if his older Viao laptop could be upgraded enough to run Windows 7, Steve availed himself of Sony's online chat support. But before he received an answer to his question, the support technician demanded a $25 payment, leaving Steve with a distinctly sour impression of the company's help line. Steve wrote, "I used to like Sony's helpful and thorough tech support, but it seems as if that quality Sony Tech Support went south for the winter when they moved online support to another third-party outsourcing company."

Steve continued, "Sony is angering customers like me with deceptive and misleading '15 minutes free tech support' policy that is really a disguised 'pay as you go' support." He felt that the support person he spoke to intentionally slowed the conversation to spend Steve's free 15 minutes before answering his question in order to profit from the call.

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I forwarded Steve's complaint to Sony and spoke to Dean Richmond, senior manager for Sony service operations. "Over half of our out-of-warranty claims are resolved in that first free 15 minutes," Richmond assured me. "And we are very on top of our vendors to make sure that they are not pausing too much or taking too long to answer questions."

In fact, Richmond says, that 15-minute time is more of a guideline than a rule. "If it looks like they can solve the question in something near 15 minutes, the request for money doesn't come up," he says. "It's only when it looks like resolution will take much longer that they charge."

He also pointed out that this was Steve's second call to technical support over this upgrade question -- the first call lasted 20 minutes and was free. That's why his tech support representative decided it was time to pay. Steve felt that his second call was for a different set of questions on his upgrade issue, but Sony didn't see it that way.

As for Sony moving to a new vendor to provide this support? "This isn't a new vendor," says Richmond. "It is the same vendor we have used all along. And they are a more of a partner relationship than an outfit we simply throw calls over the fence to."

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Pragmatist 24-Nov-09 11:27am
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Let's get this straight: Sony site does not have the information a customer needs to purchase an upgrade product from them, and Sony wants to CHARGE for it? It makes no difference how many times Steve called - this is not a "tech support" call, it's a pre-sales call! Just because this is a repeat customer who you think you have over the barrel, does not change that reality. Indeed, Sony still doesn't understand how to treat customers. It's things like this that make me stay very, very far away from Sony products.
gunner@gulftel.com 1-Dec-09 4:29pm
I'd be curious to know exactly what these 2 calls actually entailed. I have actually had DOZENS of customers tell me "it's doing exactly the same thing as last time" when "last time" it wouldn't boot at all and this time they can't get online; or suddenly the CD drive won't open any more and they had a virus before...
Often times people that don't know think certain situations are related when in fact they're not.
It strikes me that Steve may not be all that tech savvy since he didn't go to Crucial or even memory4less for their memory configurators. Personally I would NEVER go to a manufacturer for their memory upgrade recommendations. This could explain why he may have felt the 2 conversations were related to the same issue when Sony didn't feel that way.
(as an aside, I also wonder whether he told Kristina about that first call that Sony mentioned)


Remmington 5-Dec-09 10:27pm
Pragmatist, will you ever treat a Technical support with some respect? Shall we have a challenge? Would you like me show all the information on the website itself? If you cannot search the information, then it is YOUR FAULT. Just pointing everything to Sony that you have a purchased a product will not make any sense.
vonskippy 24-Nov-09 12:46pm

Who's dumb enough to put money into a 4.5 year old laptop? As to finding memory - ever hear of Crucial? Kingston? OCZ? Patriot? All of those memory companies have very easy to use memory finders.

tjn006 24-Nov-09 12:50pm
I don't think the question is a pre-sales question because the user is probably not going to buy his upgrade from Sony but will buy it from MS. Upgrading an old PC is a tricky issue becuase most vendors won't bother to upgrade the drivers unless they are still selling that model of PC. The user is justified in getting his questions answered before he potentially breaks his PC trying to upgrade. Having said that, Sony lost a customer over trying to wring $25 out of him. Customer support should never be a profit center. It allows a vendor to shine when a customer is in need. If the vendor blows it by pulling a fast one over some trivial concern, all that good will that was there goes up in smoke.
mpsuser 24-Nov-09 1:29pm
This really shouldn't be surprising coming from the company that distributed an autorun rootkit on Audio CDs then tried to pawn the blame off on a security consulting firm that they had hired (presumably to do exactly that). They denied at first, then tried to pass the buck. Then they stalled to provide a solution to unsuspecting users. Sorry, Sony went on my personal and company boycott list. They proved what they think of their customers -- regardless what they say, actions speak much louder than words. The few $10'000s of lost sales from me and my firm probably won't make a dent in their bottom line but I refuse to support companies that treat their customers with contempt whenever I can.
Pragmatist 24-Nov-09 2:35pm
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Von Skippy - $100 or so to keep a laptopyou "love" in action, is not so crazy, especially when you consider the ancilliary costs of getting the new machine up to speed. As for finding the memory on other sites - I agree, which makes Sony's behavior even more stupid. TJN006- He won't be buying memory from MS, and if he were planning to buy from Crucial etc. he would not need to call Sony, since they have perfectly good memory finders. Mpuser - I agree. That was the final straw for me, and stories like this simply make it clear that despite the nice words, nothing has really changed.
vonskippy 24-Nov-09 3:21pm
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Except that with a 4.5 year old anything - after you put $100 into Ram, then the Optical drive breaks, or the keyboard, or the display, or the battery no longer holds a charge. How much money are you going to throw at a ancient lappy? Especially a lappy that hasn't seen the front of the performance race in 3 years or so (if then). And lets not forget that brand new speed demon laptops are dirt cheap these days (including the extra ram, the faster cpu, the bigger hard drive, the new OS, AND a new warranty/support contract). So yes, jumping into the money pit of the old laptop you "love" is crazy, stupid, inefficient, etc.
gunner@gulftel.com 1-Dec-09 4:32pm
Don't forget: Win7 has proven it will run on hardware that's that old. Paul Thorott claims to have a Celeron 800MHz machine with 512MB RAM running it "acceptably." (I would never recommend specs THAT old, but certainly a Pentium M 1.7 with 1-2GB of RAM should be able to run it.)
A41202813@GMAIL.COM 24-Nov-09 3:07pm
If Necessary, I Will Spend $150 In 4G Of Memory To Top My XP Desktop, Before Buying A New W7 Machine.
What About When Companies Put You On Hold, And When They Come Back, They Mistakenly Call You Some Ladies Name, And You Realize That The Tech Support Person Is Answering Several Calls At The Same Time, And Everybody Is Paying The Calls Of Everybody Else ?
BigRonG 30-Nov-09 12:01am
Sony had the premier MMORPG in Everquest. They drove 10s of thousands (or millions) of customers to World of Warcraft with abysmal customer support. I think there is more going on. When you are a non-English speaking foreign company trying to do a majority of your business in the U.S., there is an inevitable culture clash. They seemed to have heard something because they are now 'partnering' with American companies for customer support. The question is whether the policies that they have worked out are good enough in the U.S. market. Personally, I don't know many (if any) vendors that want to spend much time on 4.5 year old technology. They want to sell you something current. After all, they laid off all those old farts who knew something about that old tech.
Remmington 5-Dec-09 10:24pm
Let me say a thanks and congrats to the Steve for blogging and notifying about the Sony Pay support rule. Let me clarify one thing clearly to Steve that pay for support is needed since his Computer is out of warranty. For any out of warranty products, the Service or support will obviously cost. That is true for anywhere in the world. Mr.Steve, once an agent inform you about your Computer is not supporting "Windows 7", will you just accept that information? I am sure, you will not. You will use lot abusive words and even criticize the Agent along with Sony. You will only point out that Sony asked you to pay $24.99 after 15 minutes. Do you think all the Support agents are FOOLS or CHEATERS? Is it a fair thing that you will point out mistake of one side hiding a blunder that will happen from your Side? Please remember that Technical support agent will not create any rule for you. If there is no Drives available for download or if the Operating System is not compatible, then the Technical Support "WILL NOT" and "CANNOT" write the Drivers and change the rule for you. Sony provided free chat support for more than 5 years. If you cannot pay or do not wish you to pay, then you can check the required information directly in Sony website. If an agent can search the information on Sony website and you cannot search shows your inability.

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