July 07, 2009

A laptop hot enough to scald

A reader's Toshiba laptop runs so hot it burns him -- and burns itself out

Back in April, Tina wrote to me with a complaint about a high-end Toshiba laptop that had so many problems she'd given up on it -- even though she had barely used it. She simply did not have the time to go through the repeated "fixes" Toshiba technical support expected of her when she called to get it working. Though she had spent about $2,000 on this machine, she had already bought another laptop by the time she wrote to me at the Gripe Line.

I, too, had trouble getting her problems resolved and was, in fact, driven to admit defeat. I prefer to resolve complaints before I report on them, but beginning with Tina's letter, I decided to periodically throw a gripe up without intervening and let social media work its own magic. It worked for Tina; shortly after I aired her letter, Toshiba contacted her, sent her a FedEx box to ship her computer in, and promised to fix or replace her computer. The company was true to its word, and she now has a working laptop and did not have to endure another lengthy tech support call.

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Al followed Tina's saga, as he was having a similar problem with a top-of-the-line Toshiba, and he wrote to me recently.

"I also bought a Toshiba laptop about a year ago," he says. "I purchased it at Costco. I want to do video editing on it but it overheats. I have tried two different laptop coolers to no avail. It has two hard drives and I edit using one of them as a source and the other as a destination. With the CPU running at 100 percent for a few hours at a time, this computer gets so hot I could burn myself on it. It also randomly shuts down and won't turn on again until it cools off." Because of this persistent problem, Al can edit only short video clips. "Anything longer causes this to happen every time."

The final straw, though,  came when the computer overheated so badly it wouldn't turn on again -- even after it cooled off. Al called Costco for help. "Costco transferred my call to Toshiba," says Al. "There a tech told me I could  ship the computer to them or take it to an authorized dealer."

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dgk 7-Jul-09 10:39am
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Isn't the problem with Al's notebook really just trying to put all that stuff into a small space? Desktops with two high power video cards running a cpu at 100% for a few hours are going to get really hot. At least I can throw in a quality CPU fan, efficient power supply, and a few 120cm case fans. Don't buy a notebook if you really need a desktop.

Notebooks are for convenience and can't really be expected to do a good cooling job with a few square inches to blow off heat.

gunner@gulftel.com 8-Jul-09 6:26am
...then Toshiba should never have built the computer knowing it wasn't capable of performing with those components...
rthomasgarfield 7-Jul-09 11:05am

Al should have bought a MacBook Pro.

Regaug 7-Jul-09 11:09am
If laptops could do *everything* that a desktop can do, then desktops wouldn't still be around. I have over 25 years of experience with computer hardware, and after reading about the hardware setup and tasks for this box, I would expect it to overheat. Shame on Toshiba for selling a customer a configuration that is obviously unreliable from a thermal engineering point of view.
Joiseybill 7-Jul-09 12:42pm
Wow - I really gotta wonder about this one. Like dgk and Regaug said - this really isn't an appropriate use for a laptop. 2 drives X 2 video cards X several hours of 100% CPU at a time?! Most "enterprise" desktops couldn't take that load. After multiple repair attempts, I would have been camping at Costco until they gave me something better than " nothing we can do". Before they changed the IT return policies, I leveraged Costco to force HP to replace an 18-month old iPaq that 'bricked' when updating to WinCe2002 ( starting at around 11 months, and after 3 separate mail-in repairs). Finally, if all this came out, and the customer is 'happy' with an AC adapter & battery ; why not insist on a new keyboard, too?
prescod 7-Jul-09 2:49pm
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There is a practical limit on how much power can be successfully jammed into a laptop. I mean, two video cards, and two hard drives (and probably multiple CPUs)? There's simply no place for all that heat to go. But Toshiba (and others) are still more than willing to sell these souped-up, monster laptops and worry about any issues later. Just because the machines are available really doesn't mean its a good idea to buy them, or that they'll really work satisfactory. We’re seeing the exact same issue with the iPhone 3G, a highly functional device. All those full-time, CPU-intensive functions (cell radio, high-density color screen, wireless network access, GPS, music, gaming, streaming video, email, Safari web-browser, 3rd party apps, etc) all crammed into a tiny non-ventilated thin case was just begging for overheating problems. And now they got ‘em.
HomerT.NachoCheese 8-Jul-09 8:56am
Even if manufacturers provided more than enough cooling to handle all of this hardware running at 100% for hours on end, it is still a bad idea to purchase something like this. Eventually, your laptop will fill with dust bunnies and all that cooling power will be dramatically reduced. Every now and then you may need to take apart your laptop to clean it out, which really sucks because this can be a difficult process for some people that results in spare parts when you are done. At least a desktop can easily be cleaned out.
vonskippy 8-Jul-09 9:15am
Baffling how the vastly intelligent highly trained sales engineers at Costco, let this one slip by. Surely anyone with even a few brain cells to rub together would have known this was not a viable solution for the customer. Or "Al" could have spent 30 minutes googling reviews and opinions on what a good video editing system was - and the 9 zillion horror stories about buying high tech from Costno. In the wise words of Forrest Gump: "stupid is as stupid does". Luckily "Al" is distracted by shiny objects and power adapters so all's well that end's well.

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