Should Debian be forked because of systemd?

In today's open source roundup: Veteran Unix admins threaten Debian fork if systemd replaces sysvinit. Plus: Ubuntu turns ten years old today, and Ubuntu 15.04 to have codename Vivid Vervet

Systemd has set the Linux world on fire, and that inferno continues to rage out of control. It has spawned endless discussion threads and many angry blog posts. This time around a collection of veteran Unix administrators is threatening to fork Debian if systemd replaces sysvinit.

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According to Debian Fork:

We are Veteran Unix Admins and we are concerned about what is happening to Debian GNU/Linux to the point of considering a fork of the project. Some of us are upstream developers, some professional sysadmins: we are all concerned peers interacting with Debian and derivatives on a daily basis.

We don't want to be forced to use systemd in substitution to the traditional UNIX sysvinit init, because systemd betrays the UNIX philosophy.

We contemplate adopting more recent alternatives to sysvinit, but not those undermining the basic design principles of "do one thing and do it well" with a complex collection of dozens of tightly coupled binaries and opaque logs.

More at Debian Fork

Well, you can't say that the folks who did that site aren't...er...blunt about what they want. And there's a bit of a menacing tone in the threat to fork Debian. But is this a real threat or somebody just blowing off steam about systemd? Some folks on the reaction thread on Reddit expressed a healthy skepticism about the threat of a fork ever actually amounting to anything.

Most of the comments after the article seem supportive of the idea of a fork though, so we'll just have to wait and see if anything comes of it. For now it's clear that there are folks out there who are still enraged about systemd and their anger shows no sign of dissipating.

Would you support a fork of Debian to rid it of systemd?

Ubuntu turns ten today

Scott James Remnant looks at Ubuntu's tenth birthday, including the back story of how Ubuntu got started.

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According to Scott James Remnant:

The surprising thing to me now, looking back, is how modest our goals were and how lofty they seemed at the time. Our goal was to be one of the top three Linux distributions after two years. I don’t remember Ubuntu ever leaving the #1 spot for the duration that I worked on it.

I don’t think any of us really realized how popular Ubuntu was at first, since heads were back down working on fixing all the problems of 4.10 and getting 5.04 out of the door a ridiculously short six months later—the first hurdle being merging all of our changes with those made in Debian again.

More at Scott James Remnant

You can also read the original announcement of Ubuntu 4.10 by Mark Shuttleworth from back in 2004.

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